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Author Topic: The New Shittynes of Hollywood  (Read 2039 times)

Offline ORI

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Re: The New Shittynes of Hollywood
« Reply #15 on: 2007-03-19, 02:46:16 »
Cost is a non entity. With tech as it is today special effects have never been easier or cheaper. What sux is not so much content but the actors attitudes, they are in it purely for the money these days. Look at movies like faceoff and matchstick men, both suffered from a poor script and simply passible special effects but both movies rocked (IMO :P ). Why? Because the actors made the characters come alive. Travolta and Cage OWNED in Faceoff and Cage was amazing in matchstick men.

Look at todays hot rising stars...

Kiera Knightly: I'd do her but she sure as hell can't act
Orlando bloom: Can he actually make more than 3 facial expressions or play more than one type of part?

to name just a few.

The difference is that the oldschool actors love what they do and it shows, the new guys are in it for the $$ atm, give it time and they will make thier fortunes and either quit the industry or start acting for the love of it. I recon in the next 4 - 5 years things will pick up again.

True the cost of SFX should be cheaper, I dont know around how much they pay for em if they are realisticly computer generated? you probably need to work with a big server farm for that. But if cost is really a non entity why do we mostly seem get a "based on X" movies instead of original good stuff. (Lost seems to beat every new movie Iv seen lately and thats with only TV actors on set)

Faceoff is a good movie but its a while now since it was made and you rarely see good action movies like that on the cinema lately(unless you consider '300' a good movie somehow).

Ya Orlando Bloom seem to portray the same character both in Kingdom of Haven and Pirates of the Carribean even though hes role and character should be different. should be a support actor at best.
I didnt really see Kiera Knightly on a lead roll other than Pirates of the Carribean?
but ya these guys are lucky they had Johnny Depp on these movies .

Offline Xaltar

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Re: The New Shittynes of Hollywood
« Reply #16 on: 2007-03-19, 08:29:16 »
Why are they making "copy" movies? Because of all the failed "origional" movies that happened arround september 11th when the twin towers went down. A lot of potentialy good movies did very badly at the box office because of that. Americans wanted heros to make themselves feel safe again, que comic book and game based movies. Now they have been making them so long they are in a rut and its not helped by all the mindless idiots who keep supporting all the bad copy movies. Underworld Evolution sucked but still managed to gross more than double what Battlefield Earth did (a movie I thought rocked but was badly recieved). American movies, by americans for americans. If you have a question about the movie industry its answer usually lies in the state of affairs in the US. Not bieng in the US and not having insight into that we nonmericans often don't get why they make things like they do.

No insult to Americans inteded whatsoever, just stating observations.

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Re: The New Shittynes of Hollywood
« Reply #17 on: 2007-03-19, 12:47:57 »
Why are they making "copy" movies? Because of all the failed "origional" movies that happened arround september 11th when the twin towers went down. A lot of potentialy good movies did very badly at the box office because of that. Americans wanted heros to make themselves feel safe again, que comic book and game based movies. Now they have been making them so long they are in a rut and its not helped by all the mindless idiots who keep supporting all the bad copy movies. Underworld Evolution sucked but still managed to gross more than double what Battlefield Earth did (a movie I thought rocked but was badly recieved). American movies, by americans for americans. If you have a question about the movie industry its answer usually lies in the state of affairs in the US. Not bieng in the US and not having insight into that we nonmericans often don't get why they make things like they do.

No insult to Americans inteded whatsoever, just stating observations.
Well the theory checks out for  the latest "hit" , the movie 300, where we can all see some analogy to RL affiars. then again most countrys make movies that are actuall to them.

Quote from Wikipedia about box office sales:
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Released in 3,307 theaters, Battlefield Earth grossed $21,471,685 in the United States and a total of $29,725,663 worldwide, falling doubly short of its $73 million production budget and $30 million in estimated marketing costs. Financially, it is regarded as one of the great box office failures.

Looks like it sold more in the US than the rest of the world. btw the movie is based on a book written by the founder of Scientology which Im sure didnt help it sell as Scientology is considered a cult in parts of the world.
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The film's exceptionally bad reviews and poor word-of-mouth led to a precipitous falling-off in its weekend grosses. Having grossed $11,548,898 from 3,307 theaters on its opening weekend, its take collapsed to $3,924,921 the following weekend, prompting theaters to abandon the film in droves. The film made 95% of its entire domestic gross in the first two weekends and flatlined thereafter. By its sixth weekend on release, the film was showing at only 95 theaters and had made only $18,993 in a week - less than $200 per theater. [15]

I think the reason UE hit the box office so hard is cause it was the only relatively good action movie playing at the time, cant say the same for battlefield earth.
 Underworld 1 was good for a semi cheap action flick, and I think many people expected more in the sequel, if they had a better script maybe it would be considered as good as the first. (basicly they recycle the script from the first movie)


Offline Azrael of the Rose

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Re: The New Shittynes of Hollywood
« Reply #18 on: 2007-03-28, 18:17:16 »
ummm.....



The watched donnie darko the other night, ripped it off limewire. real cult movie, did shitty at the box office, but it was really great. at first i felt like "WTF did i just see???" but i thought about it for a long time and i figured it out. THAT was some original shit.
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Re: The New Shittynes of Hollywood
« Reply #19 on: 2007-03-28, 20:27:36 »
The movies Of the Zog's Heir watchin  I bes,and a green poisonous snake I be wantin ta bes when I grow ups!

Another great one whom more than a few strikes at the ribs of industry of the unholy forests !