Console Vs. PC

[EtaYorius]

Hey Rain, you dont watch much news do you? i saw this console topic in CNN Future for consoles...

The thing is... consoles are to expensive for what they do... they are not even 1/3 of power of the pc... the only thing that COULD MAYBE save Consoles... is online Gaming, GOOD ONLINE GAMING.

[ORI]

I dont know why people bother developing consoles when you can have everything on the PC? and nearly everyone nowdays have at least one PC at home

[Javokis]

Everything?

The games are still different. Most of the PC games are mmorpgs, fps, and strategy. Sometimes, I want something different. Playing the same ol' same ol' over and over gets old. The console games have the best plots, the longest rpgs, and the best most diverse gameplay. PC games are getting redundant.

[ORI]

Yeah but whats stopping people from making the same games on PC?
Metal Gear Solid, for example had a PC version, FF Also came out on PC eventually. And I think you are forgetting that Fallout and Fallout 2 ( the best cRPGs) were made for PC.

As for alot of PC games getting redundant, its only cause the Consols taking alot of the market share, forcing developers to make a game based on a profitable certified formula(fps's for example) rather than experiment with new generes. the result is that the only companys that are actually making innovative gameplay are companys who can afford to take that calculated risk, like Blizzard or Bethseda softworks.

[Javokis]

Yeah but whats stopping people from making the same games on PC?
Metal Gear Solid, for example had a PC version, FF Also came out on PC eventually. And I think you are forgetting that Fallout and Fallout 2 ( the best cRPGs) were made for PC.

As for alot of PC games getting redundant, its only cause the Consols taking alot of the market share, forcing developers to make a game based on a profitable certified formula(fps's for example) rather than experiment with new generes. the result is that the only companys that are actually making innovative gameplay are companys who can afford to take that calculated risk, like Blizzard or Bethseda softworks.

Everyone likes to use fallout as an example, but the pc genre has yet to recreate it. It's been how long sense that game came out? The pc gaming world is having trouble - I read an article on this and will have to find it again, but it said that the console world is doing better than the pc world when it comes to game development. Notice that most of port overs from console are complete shit? None of them ever take advantage of the pc's power or control capabilities. The FF ports are crap and I will never buy another one ever again. I'll stick with console for all FF games.

Whats stopping the same games from being made for PC? The problem is that most people don't actually view the PC as a 'gaming machine' sense most of the time they are used for professional purposes. To make a PC into a gaming machine usually cost tons more than just buying a console system. You also need to think about simplicity. Not everyone understands computers. You can't just stick a game cd in a computer and be playing a game within a  minute intill you 'install' the game. There's no installation needed for most console systems.

Did you know it costs considerably more to make games for the pc than for a console system? Think about this: The reason is mainly due to the vast kinds of computers out there in the industry. If you want your game to work with most of them, you'll have to pay more for the additional programming and testing. When it comes to console systems, they are all pretty much the same so when you make a game for one ps2, you pretty have made the game for ALL ps2 systems. This is NOT true for the pc world and most game developers wont spend that kind of money to make it true for their game. There are too many graphic chipsets out there, too many driver conflicts to test, constant changes in operating systems. It's not easy making a pc game for everone and the profits usually do not return to the developer.

Blizzard spent a TON of money to get their game to work for pretty much all computers. I haven't encountered a pc that can't play diablo2, yet. Games that make tons of money on the pc are usually by the gaming industry super power who can afford the anormous costs needed to make their games WORK.

As long as computers vary so widely, making game development difficult for all computers, the console gaming world will continue to exist.

[ORI]

To make a PC into a gaming machine usually cost tons more than just buying a console system.

How does that make sense, Consoles are made out of the same cost hardware, except the processors maybe abit more simple, you gotta put PS3 vs the latest GFX card in terms of cost or PS3 + Work comupter vs Computer for work and games.. I doubt the costs vary so much.

As for making games work with all sorts of new graphic cards and hardware, well that depends on the game engines and game engines are usally developed by OTHER companys and bought by the company who actually make the game, and besides game engines are never developed from scratch so I dont see how developers need to spend so much time on solving hardware conflicts if they can have the engine mostly ready and needing only tweaking, Im not saying Hardware issues are not a cost, im just saying that usally there arnt so many to say that it cost "A whole lot more". I think the reason consoles are doing better in the gaming area is that most Hardcore gamers actually buy console, biting a huge chunck from the PC gaming industry.

Speaking of Blizzard, in thier recent history they had a title in development for console called "Starcraft : Ghost" for Playstation any clue why that got halted?

[ORI]

P.S. Fallout tried to continue with Fallout: Brotherhood of steel, which also had a PS port (which is proof of the theory of how making a game both PC and Console can be a costy and hinder game design), the game wasnt so bad but wasnt the sequel we all wanted.

Now Fallout 3 is in the hands of Bethseda Softworks (who made Morrowind and Oblivion).

[Javokis]

The cost of console systems continue to go down. There was a time where every console system started out at $1000, but computers averaged $2000 so console system were still cheaper back then.

But sony changed the market when they decided to launch their system at $300 while everone else was going to charge $500 for their systems. 3DO charged $1000 when it came out and was quickly chewed up and spat out by PS. The dreamcast quickly followed. Developers also realized that it was cheaper to make games for the ps1 than any other platform and within 1 year it had 500 titles. Within a few more years it had 2000 titles. A lot of companies made names for themselves when they made games for the playstation. I would say you get more 'game' for your buck on playstation to this day. Try to find a developer that has gone bankrupted for making a ps2 game.

I can quickly think of one off hand (troika) that went bankrupted making a game for the pc. Nihilistic took losses from making Redemption for the pc. I haven't seen them make many pc games sense. Their last title was mainly for the console. Nihilistic's logo has popped up on many console games these days. I'm sure they are slowly taking back their losses, hence being able to afford the resent site update.

[ORI]

Ok if you havent read what I posted before , Why can they sell console cheaper when its made out of similar componenets as PC?

as for Torika thats exactly what Im on about, most of the hardcore gamers moved to playing console, so a company has to choose wether they make software for console or for PC, and alot of content doesnt cross over between the two due to the increased development cost of making a title that works both on PC and PS which leaves to cater for a smaller players community usally (either the console or the PC players).

IMO PC has many advantages over Console in regards to gaming and Modding is just one of them, Simplicity could be as easily made for PC .

[Javokis]

Yes I did read you post. I find blizzard to be a unique case. I think of them mostly as a pc game company than anything else. Very rarely do I see a blizzard title on the console system and most of the time it's a port over. Blizzard is a super power when it comes to pc games. They know how the pc works and what it needs and pc gamers are satisfied with what they do.

On your note about Starcraft: Starcraft doesn't look interesting to me anyways so I don't really care that they chose to halt a playstation production. As far as I'm concerned, the game had nothing to offer to the playstation system.

[EtaYorius]

With pc you can:

Play Cds
Play Dvd
Play Games
Chat
Download movies
Download Music
Call to phone lines
Download Games
Imaging Edit
Music Edit
Burn Cds+Dvd
Higher Resolution
Mod Games
Accounts Banking
Video Conferences with Audio
Karaoke (Damn i hate KAraokes)
Download Porno
Buy/Sell Online
Meet People
Webcam Strips
Read cultural info

List goes on... Yes consoles are cool for video games... but not as cool as modding your favorite video game... i find consoles way too expensive for what they do... 500us dollars for a damn PS3? are they out of theyre mind? now Nintendo Wii is MUCH MORE AFFORDABLE... and much more INNOVATIVE... I really hope Nintendo Wii Kicks PS3 Ass for Sake... im tired of Sony Arrogance... and Xbox360 isnt much of a great console... they could have make a stronger console... but price would have gotten higher... too bad xbox360 is pretty much the same of old consoles with fancy appearence and better graphics... This new Generation Nintendo will kick ass.


But Pc is still my choice, many more things to do in PC than just play games.



 This is Rain when he just received his N64

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8q-elxC6gU

[Javokis]

You're talking capability. I'm talking CONTENT. PC games do not deliver compared to the console world.  I feel that modding a game is a sign of the game's FAILURE. Why else would you mod a game? To make it BETTER?

If a mod is required to make a game great then the game was not great to begin with.

A pc has its own purpose. I use it for homework and do have some games, but when I really want to play something other than constant repetitive fps, mmorpgs, and strategy games, I turn on my ps2 or gamecube. Like you said, computers have other purposes, but games are its least highest merit when you have other tastes that need satisfying.

For these reasons, the computer IS NOT going to replace console systems, which is how this debate started to begin with. Console systems will still exists for as long as people like Sengoku and I exist.

Right Senny?

[EtaYorius]

Was Redemption a bad game for you? We spend hours modding this game... heck this is my favorite game ever... i still play it and do stuff for this game... and mods is something i enjoy... did you all know GTA-SA now has MP? i tried it and it pretty much ROCKS, guess xbox and ps wont be having this kind of stuff... or like putting your own music into games... different character models and much more things... i stopped playing consoles in 1998 back when 64 was the hit... since then i havent got back to consoles, for me they are too expensive... besides there are Xbox, PS2, Dolphin, DS, PSP Emulators out there... and pretty much you can play the hottest games... oh yes, pc cant keep up with new generation emulators... but whats the rush? i can wait 2-4 years till a new gen console emulator gets developed.

[Javokis]

ps2 does have multiplayer. Have you ever played Resident Evil Outbreak online? THAT was an awesome experience and you'll find nothing like it on pc.

I've tried playstation emulators. The ps emulators are shitty.

[EtaYorius]

I played RE: Outbreak in pc... back in my 56k times... the damn dial up lagged up as hell... i would like to try the game again on DSL.